CIB Regs - Page 2

RFleischman · 01-19-2005, 01:16 PM

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Sorry if this offends anybody, but this is why I think the CIB is just for us. The Army realizes that there is a difference in a Soldier who happens to end up in a combat situation because their convoy, chow hall, AO, got attacked(not taking anything away from the Warriors of combat support who faught honorably) and a Soldier who volunteered for an MOS that required him to go looking for trouble with the enemy, and to be as the Infantryman's creed says "The heart of the fight, whenever, wherever," and, "carry America's faith and honor against her enemies." If you put just about anybody in a life threatening situation, they are going to defend themselves, however, if you tell some folks that you are going on a patrol to try and locate an enemy element(possibly larger than your own) and pick a fight, many will think you are crazy. And we probably are, but everybody knows that crazy people like shiny things, lol.

amen!

Banander · 01-21-2005, 12:33 AM

A day late and a dollar short

The CIB was authorized for the following as well . . .

EL SALVADOR 1 JAN 1981 - 1 FEB 1992

Why does everybody overlook this 'little' piece of history ?

05-29-2005, 06:54 PM

bye the way its blue cord not rope soldier

strykerdriver · 06-08-2005, 10:47 PM

No offense, but one should not correct another when his own post has shortcomings............

On the topic though...... I agree with everyone here. Yes support elements need something to say they were there, that gives the pogues respect. And no.... I would hope that noone else is ever going to have the honor of the blue cord without first going through Infantry training. Enough said.........

asclay · 04-01-2006, 03:56 PM

I've recently returned from Iraq after a year in country. I am an infantryman; it is my primary MOS. The brigade that I was assigned to was restructured from a SAB (separate armored brigade) to a BCT. Since the unit was primarily composed of tankers (19k), infantrymen were assigned in order to plus up the ranks.
Ok, herein lies my problem. I served my year in combat; but since I was assigned to an armor unit, I was awarded the Combat Action Badge, not the coveted CIB. There must be some cracks in the regs because I've fallen through them. When the Army designed the CAB they did not intend for it to go 11Bs. Any ideas on what I can do to convert my CAB to a CIB?

Guy Gordon Young · 04-02-2006, 01:42 PM

You are trying to tell me you have to be a grunt to get the CIB? There were US Army people at the seage of Khe Sanh that were there for whole 77 days and a lot more that were niver in a fire fight and were not grunts. They do not rate the CIB. This shits on everybody that was at the seage. Buddy you anit seen nothing like over a 1000 rounds of all typs on a little bit of ground in one day. These army guy rate a lot more than a CIB. This sucks. These US Army were of the highest calaber. This is from a die hard Marine

**RR691983** · 04-02-2006, 02:21 PM

Well, I looked into it for you... It looks like you're pretty much stuck between a rock and a hard place b/c you weren't actually assigned to an infantry unit... CAB regs to follow.

*Update*
I posted the CAB regs in the Army Uniforms forum, your situation is a tough one and I know I've heard of this happening to others as well so it should be looked into by DA. The award criteria is a little vague in some things:

(2) Specific Eligibility Requirements:
d. Soldier must not be assigned/attached to a unit that would qualify the soldier for the CIB/CMB.

(8) Soldiers may be awarded the CIB, CMB and CAB for the same qualifying period, provided the criteria for each badge is met. However, subsequent awards of the same badge within the same qualifying period are not authorized.

I would say judging by that you could petition DA but man, I really don't know... the reg in my eyes kinda steps on it's own d1ck there... I hope I've helped in some way. Please keep us posted on how the matter unfolds for you.

asclay · 04-02-2006, 10:51 PM

Yeah, I definately think I have a case here. I think that if I can talk to the right person I may be able to get some results; because in this case the regs should be rewritten. I'm forced to wonder just how many grunts out there are in the same boat. I look a little strange in my class A's with a CAB next to my crossed rifles and blue cord. If anyone else on here is or knows anyone dealing with this problem let me know. I'd like to talk with them.

**RR691983** · 04-03-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Guy Gordon Young

You are trying to tell me you have to be a grunt to get the CIB? There were US Army people at the seage of Khe Sanh that were there for whole 77 days and a lot more that were niver in a fire fight and were not grunts. They do not rate the CIB. This shits on everybody that was at the seage. Buddy you anit seen nothing like over a 1000 rounds of all typs on a little bit of ground in one day. These army guy rate a lot more than a CIB. This sucks. These US Army were of the highest calaber. This is from a die hard Marine

If you ain't a grunt you don't get the CIB plain and simple. There's a reason it's called the Combat Infantry Badge but I'm not gonna get started on that arguement again.

cutestuftwo · 08-03-2006, 12:01 AM

wow i learned alot here and a few cuss words along the way lol. Thankyou for posting the information.
i have learned that my son has earned quite a few metals and coins in such a short time. thankyou again for the information i love learning about the military
LyNN

P.S. i am still trying to learn about the coins not alot of information on them that i have found but i will keep looking

**RR691983** · 09-07-2006, 02:44 AM

Do a search on challenge coins and I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for

Ramey · 04-23-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by recongrunt

I agree with Chuter. The non-Infantry MOS' should have something too if they participated in a combat

I hate to do it...but

DESCRIPTION: A silver badge 2 inches (5.08cm) in width overall consisting of an oak wreath supporting a rectangle bearing a bayonet surmounting a grenade, all silver. Stars are added at the top to indicate subsequent awards; one star for the second award, two stars for the third award and three stars for the fourth award.

II. SYMBOLISM: In keeping with the spirit of the Warrior Ethos, the Combat Action Badge provides special recognition to Soldiers who personally engage the enemy, or are engaged by the enemy during combat operations. The bayonet and grenade are associated with active combat. The oak wreath symbolizes strength and loyalty.

III. AWARD ELIGIBILITY: The Combat Action Badge (CAB) may be awarded by any commander delegated authority by the Secretary of the Army during wartime or the CG, U.S. Army Human Resources Command and will be announced in permanent orders.

(1) The requirements for award of the CAB are Branch and MOS immaterial. Assignment to a Combat Arms unit or a unit organized to conduct close or offensive combat operations, or performing offensive combat operations is not required to qualify for the CAB. However, it is not intended to award all soldiers who serve in a combat zone or imminent danger area.

(2) Specific Eligibility Requirements:

a. May be awarded to any soldier.

b. Soldier must be performing assigned duties in an area where hostile fire pay or imminent danger pay is authorized.

c. Soldier must be personally present and actively engaging or being engaged by the enemy, and performing satisfactorily in accordance with the prescribed rules of engagement.

d. Soldier must not be assigned/attached to a unit that would qualify the soldier for the CIB/CMB.

(3) May be awarded to members from the other U.S. Armed Forces and foreign soldiers assigned to a U.S. Army unit, provided they meet the above criteria.

(4) Award of the CAB is authorized from 18 September 2001 to a date to be determined. Award for qualifying service in any previous conflict is not authorized.

(5) Subsequent awards:

a. Only one CAB may be awarded during a qualifying period.

b. Second and third awards of the CAB for subsequent qualifying periods will be indicated by superimposing one and two stars respectively, centered at the top of the badge between the points of the oak wreath.

(6) Retroactive awards for the CAB are not authorized prior to 18 September 2001, applications (to include supporting documentation) for retroactive awards of the CAB will be forwarded through the first two star general in the chain of command to CG, U.S. Army Human Resources Command, ATTN: AHRC-PDO-PA, Alexandria, VA 22332-0471.

(7) Wear policy is contained in Army Regulation 670-1.

(8) Soldiers may be awarded the CIB, CMB and CAB for the same qualifying period, provided the criteria for each badge is met. However, subsequent awards of the same badge within the same qualifying period are not authorized.

IV. DATE APPROVED: On 2 May 2005, the Chief of Staff, Army, approved the creation of the CAB to provide special recognition to soldiers who personally engage, or are engaged by the enemy. HQDA Letter 600-05-1, dated 3 June 2005, announced the establishment of the Combat Action Badge.

V. SUBDUED BADGE: Subdued badges are authorized in metal and cloth. The metal badge has a black finish. The cloth badge has olive green base cloth with the bayonet, grenade, oak wreath and border of the bar embroidered in black.

VI. MINIATURE BADGES: A dress miniature badge, 1 1/4 inches (3.18 cm) in length is authorized for wear on the mess uniforms. A miniature badge, 1 3/4 inches (4.45 cm) is also authorized in lieu of the regular size badge.

Now ofcourse, when I see a CAB I immediatley think "So how was it when your were asleep in your hooch and that mortar landed on the other side of the FOB", but im sort of a prick.

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