I just got into it BIGTIME.... - Page 2

Field_Sailor · 01-22-2005, 06:42 PM

Got a side question...
WHat is the time limit for being in country for a Soldier or Airmen to qualify for an SSI-FWTS? Also, this can be awarded to anyone who "attached" to a unit right or do you need to be a permanent contingent of the unit?
Hypothetical example-A soldier from a base on the east coast deploys (TDY) to Iraq as part of a team. While there he is attached to the 82nd, when he returns is authorized to wear the "All American" Combat Patch?

Rusty24 · 01-22-2005, 07:45 PM

From an AF stand point.

An Airman can be awarded a Combat Patch from a unit that they were attached to, providing their operational commander was in the Army.

I.E. My wifes' chain goes MSgt (E-7), 1Lt., Capt. (all AF) then Army Major and Army Lt. Col. So she is under Army direction/command/ attached ....etc.

Now the key word is awarded. Once awarded they can wear it as long as they are still attached/commanded/directed, but once they return stateside it comes off. The only exception are personnel that support the Army under ASOG's (ROMADS, Combat Weather).

So if you see one of the ever so popular fashionable Security Forces or a person working behind the desk at MPF with it on, ask them what authorizes them to wear it? The reg specifically states ROMADS and Combat Weather.

Not that I totally agree, but that is the way it is.

Field_Sailor · 01-23-2005, 03:01 PM

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Now the key word is awarded. Once awarded they can wear it as long as they are still attached/commanded/directed, but once they return stateside it comes off. The only exception are personnel that support the Army under ASOG's (ROMADS, Combat Weather).

Only ASOG units? What about other units that do support to Army Units, regularly? IF you have it handy could you post the reg?

SGTBelcher29 · 01-23-2005, 04:34 PM

FS...are you asking whether Sailors are authorized to wear SSI-FWTS...or Airmen?

Field_Sailor · 01-23-2005, 04:42 PM

Airmen. Sailors are not allwoed to wear any unit patches on our BDU's.

Rusty24 · 01-23-2005, 05:28 PM

AFI 36-2903. I will dig it up. It also outlines the wear of the EIB/CIB/EFMB/CFMB/RANGER etc.

Field_Sailor · 01-23-2005, 05:37 PM

rgr, tks. One reason I am wondering is a good old friend of mine who was a TACP SMSgt, wore the 82nd Combat Patch fom Persian Excursion 1. ALso I want to make sure the Airmen that work with/for me are within their regs.

Rusty24 · 01-23-2005, 06:11 PM

Page 106.

Left column states:

Tactical Air Control Party, Air Support Operations
Center, and Army Support Weather Personnel

Corresponding Column on the Right says:

Wear the patch and awarded qualification tab, i.e., Ranger, of the
Army unit currently aligned, on left shoulder of the BDU. Personnel
who serve in combat with an Army unit and are awarded the combat
patch may wear the patch on the right shoulder of the BDU when
aligned with and supporting the Army. Center patches and tab, with
the tab on top, on the appropriate sleeve, 1/4 inch below the shoulder
and sleeve seam. Senior NCOs may make minor adjustments in the
placement of stripes to accommodate the shoulder sleeve insignia.
Stripes may not extend below the bend in the elbow when arm bent
at 90-degree angle. Stripes on both sleeves must be worn in the same
location.

Technically a person that is at a AF level staff position can not wear a combat patch, but not to many people worry about it because as long as they are a ROMAD they will wear it. There is a supplemental reg which addresses the wear of our P.T. gear and it defines who in what positions are authorized to wear a combat patch above the ASOG level.

What was the SMSgt's Name. I was an eighty-duece guy as well. I think I may know who you are talking about.

An ASOG is an Air Support Operations Group. There are 5 of them. One on the east coast, central us, west coast, germany and PACAF. The ASOG's pretty much mirror the Army main manuver corps. I.E. the 18th ASOG supports the 18th Airborne Corps, the 1st ASOG supports the 1st Corps. They only exception is Korea, the 607th ASOG supports the ROK and Hawaii. The 3rd ASOG supports the Alaska guys.

Under the ASOG's are ASOS's and OL's. The 18th ASOG has 6 ASOS's. Drum (20th ASOS), Campbell (19th ASOS), Bragg (14th ASOS), Stewart (15th ASOS), Benning (17th ASOS), and Polk (21st ASOS). The OL's are the guys that support the SOF units 3rd & 7th SFG, 160th SOAR, Rangers etc.

Ask away. Also if someone in the AF gives you a line of shit that they are wearing black jump wings instead of the blue ones, smack them once for me and a second time for being dumb. There is no regulatuion, or blurb in any regulation that states that if you graduate from the Army static line course that you must wear the black jump wings. It does state that that in order to wear jump wings you must do the following, complete the course (DUH), and remain a volunteer to fill a jump billet or served/jumped for atleast 36 months (can be cumulative). Plus if they have done the 36 months they are required by reg to wear it, it is considered an aeronautical badge.

Also if one of your studs is wearing a Pathfinder or Air Assault badge (a.k.a Bull Winkle Badge), they need to remove that as well.

The AFI specifically states :

..... only while performing duties with other Service air assault, pathfinder, ......

So as a JTAC aligned with the 82nd/14th ASOS, I can wear both because they perform both duties.

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SGTBelcher29 · 01-24-2005, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by field_sailor

Airmen. Sailors are not allwoed to wear any unit patches on our BDU's.

Cool...yeah I figured, but then I got confused....

looks like rusty got you squared away.

USAFDefender · 01-24-2005, 02:48 AM

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Also if someone in the AF gives you a line of shit that they are wearing black jump wings instead of the blue ones, smack them once for me and a second time for being dumb. There is no regulatuion, or blurb in any regulation that states that if you graduate from the Army static line course that you must wear the black jump wings. It does state that that in order to wear jump wings you must do the following, complete the course (DUH), and remain a volunteer to fill a jump billet or served/jumped for atleast 36 months (can be cumulative). Plus if they have done the 36 months they are required by reg to wear it, it is considered an aeronautical badge.

Not sure what you are getting at for the black jump wings? I have a flight chief here in Hickam who wears his black jump wings over his right name tape. He says its because he also went through the USMC portion of the Army Airborne school.

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Also if one of your studs is wearing a Pathfinder or Air Assault badge (a.k.a Bull Winkle Badge), they need to remove that as well.

I think what it comes down to is that alot of these guys feel that they've gone through the pain, sweat, and tears for the patch. So a guy who's been through the Pathfinder school or the Airborne school is going to wear that patch until he's forced to take it off. I can tell you one thing, next month I hope to leave for SERE Indoc. When I make it through the Tech School in Jul, I'll have the opportunity to go to Airborne, HALO, Military SCUBA, and lots of other schools. You can bet your ass I'm wearing them if my commander allows.

Rusty24 · 01-24-2005, 05:42 PM

I agree with you that if you shed the sweat then wear it, however it is in black and white and you can not argue. Like I said, not that I agree, but there are some that do and they enforce it

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Not sure what you are getting at for the black jump wings? I have a flight chief here in Hickam who wears his black jump wings over his right name tape. He says its because he also went through the USMC portion of the Army Airborne school.

Never heard of the USMC portion. However when a Marine graduates they will be given the parachutist wings and wear those until he/she completes 5 jumps with their (Marine)unit. If I'm wrong I'm sure a fellow Marine will line up the stars on this one, but I think I'm pretty close. Upon completion of the requirements, they will be awarded the gold wings.

All of those schools (jump, HALO, scuba) are authorized to wear. P.S. it's not military SCUBA, Its called Combat Diver, just a heads up for when you go, don't want you to get smoked. Don't call it salvage diver either.

USAFDefender · 01-24-2005, 06:13 PM

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All of those schools (jump, HALO, scuba) are authorized to wear. P.S. it's not military SCUBA, Its called Combat Diver, just a heads up for when you go, don't want you to get smoked. Don't call it salvage diver either.

Haha. Thanks for the heads up. There's still alot I have to learn in the way of schools and operations.