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Armed and Ready For Iraq
by Sgt. Kenneth G. Lewis
Marine Corps News September 20, 2004 MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. -- The Marine Corps ethos is that "every Marine is a rifleman." But not every Marine will always have a rifle. So training to fight off the enemy with the standard-issue M-9 mm pistol has become a priority with so many Marines squaring off with insurgents in Iraq. It's so important the Marine Corps enlisted a man many consider the nation's foremost authority on handgun training to help prepare deploying Marines. Marines from the I Marine Expeditionary Force Headquarters Group are among the latest to undergo the Defensive Handgun and Defensive Urban Rifle courses sponsored by Defense Training International, Inc. John S. Farnam, a former Marine and president of DFI, conducts the training. He has personally trained thousands of federal, state and local law enforcement personnel in firearms tactics. Unlike the normal pistol and rifle ranges the Marines visit every fiscal year, these ranges are set up specifically to equip Marines with skills needed in Iraq. Students in the course never hear commands such as "load" or "make ready" in Farnam's courses, which also include steel-rotator targets and the opportunity to exit a vehicle, as if on patrol, with a fully loaded weapon before moving forward on foot, using different points of cover and concealment. "We run our ranges hot. Marines will have loaded weapons overseas, they should train the same way," Farnam says. "Marines are my most enthusiastic students. They come out with no complaints or whining, just anxious to train" Marines welcomed the chance to fire live rounds in a dynamic format. "On the basic range, there is no sense of urgency like there is in a real firefight," says Staff Sgt. Nelson Reichert, MHG's supply chief, and an Operation Iraqi Freedom veteran. "This is one of the best courses I have ever attended. The course allows more realistic scenarios vice the standard target that you just aim and shoot at. "More Marines should be (afforded) the opportunity to attend this course," Reichert added. "Over there we had closer contact with the people. The skills they teach us here will help those that are deploying handle the situation better." Marines were impressed not only with the training but the lecture and critiques each Marine received after each portion of firing. "John and his crew are outstanding instructors. They do a great job of critiquing you after each exercise and do a good job of bringing you up to speed," said Cpl. Michael E. Stewart from Braceville, Ohio, and member of MHG's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical team. Farnam says he's happy to please - especially when Marines are the customers. "This is the highlight of my year," he said. "Law enforcement agencies and other professions we train may never have to utilize the tactics we teach. However, each individual student we have taught over the past few days will almost certainly be involved in a gunfight. We just want to help bring them home safe." The course covers pistol firing because not all Marines - including most officers and staff noncommissioned officers - aren't issued a rifle. Most, however, can check out a rifle from a field armory before venturing into potentially hostile areas. -Top |
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Re: Armed and Ready For Iraq
Great post. Enjoyed the read.
The Marine Corps issued 9mm pistol is definitely the weapon you want to become familiar with as a sidearm due to the threats and the time reactions for return fire situations. The pistol is quicker for returning fire per say the rifle for short distance encounters, and the recovery time from recoil is quicker. I still prefer the old .45 Colt for knockdown power but we aren't talking about the old colt. The firepower and additional round capacity is a life saver when dealing with multiple threats or having to fire an extra round to put the threat down. In time, I believe the 9mm will be replaced with a superior pistol for fighting with alot more fire power. Until then, every Marine will have to use what is issued and allowed. In any event, I pray all Marines a safe return from harm's way. Semper Fi, Jim |
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Rusty24
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Re: Armed and Ready For Iraq
Holy Cow! If I am using my 9mm to defend the base ..... something has seriously gone wrong. Max effetive range is in the neighborhood of 75yds.
"Uh 'scuse me, Mr. Bad Guy. Yeah, you with the red ..... no the other. Can you come closer so I can shoot you?" 5.56 is the way to go! |
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Re: Armed and Ready For Iraq
I hate the 9, although I do understand why it is used. It is easier to get the rounds for it. As an MP and the likelyhood of going to sand box in my career I would like to have a class as this.
-Brenda |
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cincymarsdad
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Re: Armed and Ready For Iraq
Sounds a little like when the Garand replaced the '03 ...
I have a personal Beretta - seems like it would make someone unhappy inside 25 meters with 15 rounds coming their way (barring body armor). I agree a .45 would make them unhappy as well. The 9 mm weighs less even with 15 rounds loaded than a loaded .45. I don't think anyone is using it for hard base perimeter security though. It's more a backup and/or close quarters type weapon where swinging an M-16 is slow relatively. That story about 2 vehicles attacking a base in sequence and the first blew up to afford cover for the second involved no 9 mm fire - against a vehicle an air rifle would have been as effective barring an incredibly lucky shot. |
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